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Spock on Collectivism by Atamolos Spock on Collectivism by Atamolos
Interesting fact:  Gene Roddenberry was a socialist.
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Lipizzaner-Kgirl Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Student General Artist
I'm not so sure Spock was addressing societies as a whole. At least, that's not what the movie played out.
AmericanDralion Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Roddenberry may have been one of the few progressive voices in a genre that seems to tend towards a libertarian/martial philosophy--IMO of course!
FinnishEcoSocialist Featured By Owner May 18, 2014  Hobbyist Interface Designer
No wonder why Patrick Stewart wanted to be in the Star Trek XD
kakerate Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014
The principle has good reason to it. The problem is understanding how the practice of this principle of utilitarianism will affect society.

Justification of using this utilitarianism principle in practice requires that there be no assumptions, and that you're forced to make a choice in a situation where you cannot ask for consent. The choice must also rationally weigh the pros and cons the outcome of the choice will have morally on society. 

There really is no other way I can reason where you could implement this kind of principle into written law onto a society of people without having more harm come from it than good.

The principle on its own, when practiced by the individual of their own free will, tends to be fine until they get control over other people's lives. That's why consent is so important to have in this principle's practice. 
Shiows Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You sir spark alot of debate with your views. Keep up the good work.
sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014
Exactly what needs of the many outweigh what needs of the few?  Any and all?
Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How kind of you to unblock me so I could respond.

"The needs of the many" refers firstly, to the basic needs and rights of the collective.  More often than not, this includes everybody, not simply the majority.

The central message of the phrase is to emphasize that, if the desires of a few individuals infringe upon the rights of "the many", being the collective, then they are harmful to the society as a whole, and it would be a waste of resources to cater exclusively to such.
sonrouge Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014
Are you aware that, in Dark of the Moon, Sentinel Prime (also voiced by Leonard Nimoy), used this very same "reasoning" to justify the extermination of an entire species?

And what happens when the desires of the many infringe on the rights of the few?
Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014
What part is Nimroy best known for? Most likely Star Trek's Spock. Now riddle me this, do you honestly believe that Capitalism is the way to go in space? Humanity needs to outgrow these mythical desires in order to exand their knowledge about the galaxy around them. Star Trek's future depends on a post-Capital society based on the idea that each human an alien is special and deserves respect as such. So if you honestly think that Communism and Socialism is about the murder of society, look to Star Trek and remember that the Federation is a benevolent institution designed to bring unity, autonomy, and equality through a collective field. Almost like Socialism or Communism.
sonrouge Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2014
You do realize you're using a fictional show that takes a lot of liberties with reality to support your ideology, right?
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