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What is communism? by Atamolos What is communism? by Atamolos
"Communism is seeing the suffering of your fellow human beings and feeling empathy for them, then recognizing the system perpetuating this suffering and making according changes to end it."

The quote is by me.

The second picture was taken in Bombay, India.
The fourth picture was taken at a socialist/progressive/anti-Islamist protest in Turkey.

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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2015
Communism: Good on paper, terrible in practice
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SONBoomer Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Well, at least, making a spectacular attempt...
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YuusukeOnodera Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i will quote Churchill to say what i think about Communism/Socialism/Whatever:
socialism is the equal distribution of misery
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originalCzechball Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
Communism - seeing suffering people. Living in suffer.
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DigiquillDraws Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2014  Hobbyist
Communism: the solution to the wrong problem
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RaynalJacquemin Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
According to me, Communism is rather a world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality!
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014
Well unfortunately you are wrong.
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CODFANZ Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2014
Communism sucks like shit! Shall we make Cordis Die real by June 22nd, 2014?
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lycanthusincarnum Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes! Hail the Revolution Comrade!!! 
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Mr-Dave Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014
"Communism: Enemy of the people. Socialism: Enemy of the people. Capitalism: The people."
-Samuel Fuller
He wasn't wrong.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Appeal to authority. Just because somebody important once said something does not make it right.

Perhaps, if you're looking for discussion, you should outline your position rather than applying speculative quotes in an abstract manner.
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Mr-Dave Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014
My position: No government owns people. Period. No one has the right to force their will upon others. Period. If I make something and I trade it for something else, that is my effort and my profit, not some socialist liberal's who never lifted a finger to help anyone in his life. Every time one of you kids buys into the commie Koolaid that your elementary teachers indoctrinated you with, you help to destroy the greatest democracy ever known to history.
Every totalitarian government started out with the same lies, promising communism and socialism. Obama and his regime are doing it right now.

Just look what socialism and communism brought to the world. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, the list goes on. The worst capitalism brought about was Clinton. There is a pretty big rift between those names.

And there was nothing abstract about Fuller. Perhaps you should research his life. The great irony of his statements regarding the evils of the world is the fact that Tim Robbins asked the questions. If you don't comprehend the relevance of that, then you have a lot more research to do.

You are taking the fantasy of those wishing to enslave you at face value, playing the fat hound. I'll stay a lean wolf.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you that communism is pro-government ownership, then it's no wonder the rest of your argument is about as coherent as your opening statement.

Firstly "socialist liberal" makes no sense.  If you're a socialist, then you aren't a liberal.  The two are mutually exclusive.  You might as wel say "socialist conservative" or "socialist fascist".

Secondly, I wasn't indoctrinated to be pro-communism.  I was indoctrinated to the pro-capitalism.  However, when I got old enough to think for myself, I quickly saw the flaws in the current system and found an alternative ideology.  You're the one wolfing down American propaganda.

Thirdly, America is not a democracy, it's a republic.  The people have no real say in government, or which leaders are selected.  The electoral college does that for them.

Fourthly, Obama is nowhere near socialist.  Ask literally any socialist and they will tell you the same.  You've simply adapted an ideology that you don't understand and have been brainwashed to dislike and used it as a blanket political insult.

Fifthly, Stalin, Mao, etc, were dictators.  There have been hundreds of dictators in the past two centuries, most of who were not communists, and they caused just as many, if not more deaths.

Sixthly, Hitler was neither a socialist nor a communist.  He was a fascist, and a German nationalist conservative.

Seventhly, Clinton was not the worst US president.  Bush started two wars and under him, the deficit skyrocketed, even more than it did under Reagan.  But even Bush wasn't the worst president, that title probably goes to Andrew Jackson for his massacre of the Native Americans.

Eigthly, capitalism has brought about far worse than bad US presidents.  The Chilean dictator Pinochet, the Dutch East India company's ability to invade and occupy India and Indonesia, the mass deportation of African American slaves for a span of four centuries, Chinese wage slavery during the construction of the Continental Railroads, the list goes on.

Ninthly, capital is all about people being able to control others through the greatest commodity and source of influence within its system:  capital.

In short, don't throw around political terms when you don't know what they mean, and don't judge something you don't understand.
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Mr-Dave Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014
LOL! You gave me a good laugh with your inane ramblings. Yes, yes, I understand nothing. After all, I only have an IQ of 168 and have been studying politics, history, theology and anthropology since before Nixon was in office.

You believe in communism, so it shouldn't surprise me that you are incapable of comprehending what I said. Hell, you don't even know what capital means.

Enjoy being eaten by the morlocks!
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good to see you don't have an argument.

Have a nice day. ;)
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Slaydus-The-Severn Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well that was short lived, LOL! 

Sadly, our country is full of people like this. Exactly like this. 
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Strudel288 Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2014
Atamolos, I love your debates so much.
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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Did you made some changes recently?
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What sort of changes?
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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Did you do recently changes, as communist? As your collage say?
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Me personally? I've made no major changes where I live. I do small things in an effort to enter my home, but the simple reality is that I haven't the resources or numbers to bring about such change, but I am trying, and I will continue to do so as long as there is suffering.
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Pandaren-Chaplain Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I beg your pardon but I don't believe.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's fine.  Your lack of belief doesn't change anything.
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mido557 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Excellent quote!
I'm not surprised to see anti-Communists here, but they're relatively mild today >_>
Oh well, maybe they themselves have stopped believing the "knowledge" (or lack of) they preach!
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well people like joeisbadass are civilized enough to be opinionated without being overly stubborn.
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mido557 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is true, I don't think I've ever had the chance to talk to him however.
He does seems quite civil though.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
A noble sentiment, but not really achievable. Communism doesn't really work.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Such assertions are not uncommon, however, I would argue that they have little foundation in reality as communism has never been correctly attempted, and a lot of people are misinformed of how to properly do so.

The main idea of a "Revolution" is to end the bourgeois control of production and subsequent exploitation of the workers, and create a socialist society with a 'workers dictatorship', that is to say that the means of production is owned by the common man and there is a democratic system of government, which is the only system of government that could conceivably allow such a system to exist.

After the entire world has adopted socialism, either through their own revolutions or by actually seeing socialism for what it is and accepting it as a universally helpful system, then the world will evolve to become all the more closely connected to the point where there will be a purely internationalist, moneyless, classless, and completely equal society.

So, claiming communism doesn't work is akin to claiming that a colony on Mars doesn't work. That is to say, it has never actually been attempted, so such a thing cannot be said with any sort of certainty.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
Cummunism has been attempted numerous times, and in almost every instance it wound up a tool for oppression. It's a nice idea, no classes and everyone being equal, but it's no more compatible with human nature than anarchy. To say "it's never been done right" comes off as an excuse to me- if it was a good, useful model of society, then one feels like it should have yielded any amount of success at this point. As it is, communism, proper communism, is all but dead. A colony on mars is more likely- at least there is solid evidence that science could one day advance enough to make it possible. 
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Communism has never been attempted. The various revolutions in the 20th century were attempts to create socialist nations, which was ultimately successful, to an extent.

As for the dictatorships, that has nothing to do with communism. The nations that developed dictatorships were either relatively poor, ravaged by war and famine, or both. Such conditions are breeding grounds for opportunistic would be despots. Just look to Nazi Germany or much of contemporary Africa, a majority of which are capitalist countries. Ideology doesn't come into the equation.

Collective socialism has only been attempted during:

---The Paris Commune: Smashing success, unfortunately the French army dealt with them.
---Kronstadt: Also successful, unfortunately the Russian Civil war ended that.
---Russian Revolution: Great progress was made early on, which was later regressed by one Joseph Stalin, but the USSR was, since then, never the poverty ridden hellhole made out by western propaganda.
---Korean Independence: North Korea was fantastic for a few years early on as they began rebuilding from WW2, then Kim il Sung adopted juche, which ruined any possibility of freedom there.
---Indochina: It was great for Vietnam and Laos, unfortunately Cambodia under Pol Pot went down the totalitarian, genocidal path, forcing the Vietnamese People's Army to invade Cambodia and kill Pol Pot.
---Cuban Revolution: Arguably the most successful standing example of modern transitional socialism. Unfortunately, they have yet to leave behind the dictatorial form of government established during the Cold War, so Cuba is still a dictatorship, despite it's relative benevolence.

As for the "human nature argument", I will address that in future writings of mine.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
If it has never been attempted despite existing so far, then I have a hard time seeing its possible merits.

I do not blame communism for Stalin or Mao, but the ideology does seem pretty exploitable for a dictator.

My position is this: while humans are capable of great altruism, which is instinctually built into us, we are also capable of great selfishness, because that too was built into us by evolution. A system dependent on everyone being equally generous with their posessions, equally generous in every regard, is a utopian idea without compatibility with any human society, because some people are always more driven, more greedy, more ruthless.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As is a common response.

Any system can be exploited by an individual opportunistic enough.

Perhaps, perhaps. I disagree of course but I am currently researching to write an upcoming essay on the subject.
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OpinionsProfile Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
Dictatorship is pretty much inevitable when a communistic government is put into place: opinionsprofile.deviantart.com…
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have read your submission on the subject before. It's an interesting idea, but it's not historically accurate.

Firstly, the notion of a "communist government" is inherently oxymoronic. In a communist society, the 'state' in a traditional sense will have ceased to exist.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Every time it fails, they argue that the conditions were never right or that some jerk threw a monkey wrench into the whole thing.

Russia? Lil' Joey Stalin is their burden-bearer, but they forget that Russia went along with Stalin and his murderous regime.

And let's be honest... Russia has never had any qualms against revolution.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014
Zucca, I understand that Communism has gotten the reputation for being totalitarian, however I would like to point out that Communism is not inherently evil. As stated before, Lenin lead the Communist party in Russia for several years. He personally made headway into allowing collective business ownerships, allowing gay marriage and equal rights for women, and even established an organization for political elections.

Then you have Stalin. After Lenin died, Stalin came to power and murdered the original Communist party thus allowing himself to become leader. Combine this with World War II, Stalin gained more and more emergency powers. Eventually, the war ended, but the power overtook Stalin and he became a regressive. He stomped out worker collectives, reversed gay marriage rights, and went so far as to demolish the democratic election process. 

You see, Communism can work, but it has only been tried a few times. In those few times, however, outside forces caused damage to the interior as well. 

Could I interest you in an example of Communism in fiction? If you ever watch Star Trek, watch the Federation. They have a classless, moneyless, collective society devoted to improving the self. I think that it could happen, if humanity starts to learn about the world.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I think if you'll read this here zucca-xerfantes.deviantart.com… you'll see why that argument falls short.

Communism in and of itself opens too many doors for corruption. In capitalism at least, the potential for disaster is limited to the company and wherever it reaches. It's especially mitigated when you're talking about a capitalism system in a democracy that has checks and balances.

What defense then, do you have to bear for Cuban Communism? Or the failures of Communism in Korea, China and other such nations?

And I'm going to do you the courtesy of *not* laughing you out of here when citing a sci-fi television show as an example of successful Communism.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014
Have you ever heard of a term called Primitive Communism?
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If it refers to pure Marxism, then save yourself the trouble. I don't care for it or the ten 'planks'.

If you refer to tribal communism, then that's fine for tribes, but not for large, complicated societies.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
You do realize that we're not actually in disagreement about this, right?
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Oh yes. I'm saying I agree with you.

Apologies for my lack of clarity on that one.

I blame the flu I'm going through... This whole thinking thing is difficult when your head is half-full of a bucket's worth of phlegm.
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Greatkingrat88 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
It's all right. I hope you recover.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you.

That makes two of us ^_^;

I'm virtually immune to any disease out there, save anything that effects my sinuses.

Never had a stomach bug, never had an infection, never anything of the sort.

Cold, flu and the like though?

Kicks my butt six ways from Sunday. X_X
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VladimirSeyer Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2014
in Capitalism,you wont see the truth
in Communism,you will see the lives of many poor men,women &children,controlled by the greedy capitalist people,not just in one place,but throughout the world.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
Well I suppose that would make me a Communist, but I would really want to be a socialist for all intensity purposes.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Socialism is the required intermediate step from capitalism to communism.  Socialism advocates for collective management of the economy.  Communism takes is a step further by asserting that a socialist society will naturally evolve into a communist one.

Communists aren't the only people capable of empathizing with the poor, obviously, there are plenty of decent non-communists, but communism was created based on the principle of equality by right rather than earning.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
Correct. However considering the work I wish to enter (politics) I cannot seem too radical or else lose elections. Instead I have to live by Bernie Sander's method and become an independent Socialist.

Honestly I think Communism still has potential. Heck, Star Trek's Federation seems to be doing well with it; No money, no poverty, every species is treated equally.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is true.  Communism as a platform would be a fundamentally unlikable platform according to the propagandistic view of the former USSR.

Indeed.  I'm a fan of Star Trek myself and many people fail to realize that Gene Roddenberry based the Federation on communist ideology, a society in which people are not motivated by profit, and are yet somehow still not too lazy to do work.

Interestingly, most of the alien races were based on the problems with modern society.  The Ferengi, obviously represent material greed, he Romulans actually represent the US during the Cold War, and the Cardassians are based on the problems with fascism in the early 20th century.

Few people appreciate or even realize the symbolism.
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Jmoc1 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014
Oh how I love connecting Star Trek to the past and modern world. Maybe I should make a macro regarding how Star Trek is communist.
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Atamolos Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Go right ahead!  I may do a short series about it as well!
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